Holy shit, Samsung Smart TVs straight up send "snippets" of things that you watch back home to "to provide you with customized Smart TV experiences".
Search that page for the text: "Your Smart TV transfers video snippets or TV tuner information in order to determine the programs watched."
@mike Aaaaaaand this shit is why my next TV is going to be a monitor.
For me, that's not the reason. Rather, I've never owned a TV but only PCs, sometimes with receiver cards -- but I haven't even had that in over 10 years because there's just so much better stuff on the web, and unless it's live streams, I don't even have to know when it's on...
...and my PC is way smarter than even the smartest Samsung TV, to the point where it sometimes does what I want, not the vendor...
i wonder if that includes stuff you watch from an attached USB drive?
> cues up 24/7 DBZ Abridged marathon
@mike basically they admit to sending a stream of screenshots to analyze and sell. If this is the future, I think the term 'Luddite' is something to be proud of.
@mike ehhh....yeah cuz I want my niece's dance recital to be transferred
@mike Buying a smart TV is a really dumb idea. But it seems the industry won't let us be smarter than their TVs.
It seems the next best option is to never connect your television to a network, though I wonder how long it will be until tv manufacturers force you to connect it at least once on initial setup before letting you use it.
In any case I have resolved to never buy another "television", and search for a truly " dumb" large format monitor or panel display.
Everyone in the industry is trying to squeeze out a few cents from this ecosystem; even public service broadcasters of Europe (as they have their taxpayer sourced funding reduced and often also have to seek revenue through advertising).
The price difference between a smart TV and a (sometimes more expensive) large monitor is the amount of money your/your families data is deemed to be worth (but isn't as much as it seems!)
I compared a Philips monitor and a TV, both of 43" screen size (which is about as large as is used at my work) and the monitor was only 26€ more expensive, although another tactic I've seen is the discounting of a 50" telly to nudge more people into buying it (although it is also less likely for anyone to put a 50" monitor on a desk and at that size its moving into "specialist electronic signage" market which has always got a price premium
@mike Doesn't this break several laws?
@gudenau @mike the DMCA is mostly about adjusting copyright term definitions and adding restrictions to circumventing technical controls meant to protect copyrights; I’m not sure how that’s relevant here?
Unethical and slimy, but not illegal
@mike I'm very happy with mine and my mom's dumb TVs and my Nintendo Switch which I'll just dock in to watch YouTube on either TV
@mike stop talking about "smart" TVs, those aren't smart, they are just spying.
@mike you can disable a good bit of the telemetry from the developer/debug menu. Different Samsung smart TVs have different methods of accessing that menu, but this helped me:
This will also allow you to reenable Bluetooth, since Samsung oh-so-kindly disabled it with a recent update.
Fair warning - you could brick your TV doing this (something that I never thought I'd say)
And these 3 papers presented by A. Narayanan (Princeton) @random_walker
When we watch TV, our TVs watch us back and track our habits. This practice has exploded recently since it hasn’t faced much public scrutiny...
For the general public to understand it and feel concerned, it will take some time 😕
That's why I prefer old CRT TVs...
@mike I still only have older lcd TVs and am not looking forward to having to replace them at some point.
@mike mine was disappointed with me when I didn't connect it to my WiFi
@mike This shocks you?! ;)
I installed a pihole at home and saw that my Sony TV makes more than 1500 requests every day sending some stuff to Sony and other ones to Netflix given that its embedded with that model of TV ... Everything is blocked now
@mike Samsung is not the only one, some Android TV televisions (most notably Sony, Sharp, TCL and Philips) have app called Samba Interactive TV. It uses machine learning to identify what are you watching, devices connected to the same network (they have tracker for embedding in websites), it even analyzes picture from HDMI inputs. And all of this primarily for advertising purposes.
@mike I'm surprised you are surprised by this. Most set top boxes (Sky in Europe, Name your cable provider ) have reported channel selection for years...
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