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It's been a good 12 year run for me with , but when my new work desktop PC gets here I'm going full time to .

I've been wavering back and forth for a while but yeah I reckon it's time to leave them to whatever the fuck they're doing now.

It used to be that they were the distro that smoothed out a lot of the quirks and issues I had, now it feels they're the cause of most of them.

@mike Because of package mixing between mint/ubuntu you have a high chance of creating a FrankenDebian on any forks of mainline debian, Throughout your years of ubuntu how many times did you fuck it up?

@BraixenIRL haven't fucked up Ubuntu for a very long time, I don't get very fast and loose with extra repos unless I really need something. I'm pretty aware of what's going on and my needs are, really, pretty simple.

It's the mixing of packaging systems and Ubuntu doubling down and pushing hard with their garbage Snaps that's one of the driving factors here.

@jlamar @BraixenIRL oh don't get me started on how fundamentally flawed and awful Snaps are. I could go on for hours.

@mike Probably not helping that they seem to want to Do A Microsoft* ask the time.

* as in doing things their own way, existing standards be damned.

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I would suggest Devuan. It is worth the look. Especially if you came from a real Unix and you don't want or need the systemd dependencies and eccentricities. Clean system, like debain just before the switch to systemd and GNOME 3.

devuan.org/

@gleaken I know it's possibly going to sound controversial, but I like systemd and Gnome 3. :awesome:

@mike I remember the first Ubuntu releases being breathtaking how everything just worked. But yeah, I haven't had it running on any of my personal gear for a while now.

@stibbons oh yeah, back in around 2007 when I was setting up computer lab environments at a university, it was nothing short of a gift from the gods. Our video cards worked, the sound worked, people could just log in and get things done.

At the time, it took the rough edges off so many aspects of deploying a Linux system. These days, that stuff seems to have all merged back upstream and we're much better off. Between CentOS and Debian I've got most needs covered now.

@mike Now that stable has Firefox quantum, I'm perfectly content with Debian.

@uxintro It's weird, and I feel it marks a failing in me, as a person, but I just don't like using Firefox. I'm married to Chrome.

I know.

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@mike I've only recently swapped back. But now that they've got the ability to sandbox your logins to FB, Google etc I don't think I could go back.

@uxintro I know all the cool things about it, I just can't get past little things in the UX that annoy the crap out of me whenever I use it.

Can't even tell you a problem off the top of my head. Just end up swearing every time I use it.

Oh plus I love opening pages in fixed windows like applications. That's half my desktop at any given moment.

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